AFRIKA, DESIGN! ep.2: Eugene Kavuma

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Eugene Kavuma is the founder and director of Kampala Design Week.

We caught up during the second festival at his home in Uganda.

We discuss the trials and tribulations of starting a design festival, his design travels, collaborations with the British council and NEON Studio and how they turned 100 wooden stalls into the centerpiece of last year’s Kampala Design Week.

He also talks about why he bet $700 on his own exhibition, meeting & curating Uganda’s creatives and highlights from KDW2019.

You can find Eugene at @kavumae & @kampaladesignweek on instagram.

Recorded Q4 2019.

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Adrian: Eugene.

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Thank you for joining us
here in your own back garden.

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Eugene: And it’s entirely
made out of ceramic.

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It’s a ceramic garden, this one,

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Adrian: it’s, Adrian: it’s lovely
to be here during the second KDW.

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Eugene: Yeah.

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I’m so happy to have you guys here.

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Yeah.

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You, you took a number of airplanes
and I don’t know, buses and what not.

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Eugene: Um, my name is Eugene Kavuma
Eugene: Director here at Kampala

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Design Week, this is our second year.

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Eugene: my role there is to, I
guess, run the vision and raise the

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money to fulfill the vision, Eugene:
in the ultimate sense of things.

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This is a very second edition.

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Eugene: we started off much earlier
than we did last year this time.

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Eugene: we started off, we started with
a workshop on the 21st, Eugene: or.

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Of October, and it’s going to
run until the 2nd of November.

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So technically it is a
bit more than a week.

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Yeah.

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Eugene: we are today, Saturday,
second November, 2019 is the

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last day of the festival.

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I am Eugene: relieved.

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Eugene: we’re left with two
workshops and a closing evening,

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and, Eugene: I can’t wait.

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Adrian: Well, so tell me about,
about the vision for Kampala

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Design Week, for those who aren’t

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familiar.

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Eugene: Yea Eugene: the vision of
Kampala Design Week, Eugene: is to

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a, celebrate good design, Eugene:
highlight like really awesome designers,

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but also create opportunities for
designers to connect with, you know,

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potential better, more worthy markets.

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And maybe that may mean creating
a market for design products here.

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Eugene: and for us in order to do
that, Eugene: for the next four years,

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Eugene: main focus is on upskilling
the designers with whom we connect with

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and just providing opportunities to,
to collaborate, to exchange, to grow in

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terms of their skills, their networks.

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And then off of those, Eugene:
Designers that we would have

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consistently interact with.

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We hope that we’ll create, Eugene:
that will give them an opportunity

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to create output that will then get
people to appreciate good design.

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Adrian: Okay Adrian: so who Adrian:
has been a highlight for you this year?

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Eugene: A highlight for me this year
has been the guys from NEON who I met,

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Eugene: when we were together in Addis.

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We actually did a recording
together, Eugene: through, Eugene:

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the ‘Architecture, Design and
Fashion’ grant from British Council.

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Eugene: we managed to, so we applied
for it with Adengo Architecture,

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Kampala Design Week and NEON,
and we were granted it, Eugene:

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which was really, really awesome.

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So we had neon over, which
is really cool because.

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I met NEON in Addis.

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I met NEON in Nairobi, and
then I hosted NEON in Uganda.

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That was really cool for me.

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It’s like a real proper demonstration
of their whole connection thing.

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Sure.

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I also ran, ran into them in
London, out of the train man,

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like you do, haha.

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Yeah.

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You just, you just dropped by.

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You know?

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You can say,

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Adrian: yeah, they told me that.

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Adrian: So, but tell us about actually
the British Council a partnership,

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because it’s clear that the British
Council are trying to do a lot to

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support design out in East Africa.

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Eugene: All right.

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Eugene: so that’s been Rashida who
I met in a bar is an arts manager.

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Eugene: and the British
Council arts manager.

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And like the first time I had a
conversation with her about Kampala

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Design Week, Eugene: I thought, Eugene:
that’s high enthusiasm and going

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like, no, we should really meet up.

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We should talk.

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I was like, Eugene: yeah, cause Eugene:
we had just finished our first year and.

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We had made some notes on social
media, but, Eugene: if you know

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the plan and then you see the
execution it’s rarely the same thing.

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So I was feeling really Eugene: about
the festival, Eugene: but determined

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to, to figure out a way to make it work.

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So I’m talking to this random person
and then I mentioned Kampala Design

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Week, and then they get excited
and they said, no, tell me more.

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I’m like, one, two, three, four

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Eugene: she’s like, no, no, no.

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Tell me more.

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Eugene: And then we exchanged emails and
she gave me a call and send me an email.

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And.

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Eugene: for, I feel like she’s, Eugene:
endeavored, Eugene: to, to, to, to, to,

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to expose us to all the opportunities
that British Council kind of offers

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from trainings to like, opportunities
to apply for grants for, and she’s also

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strict about reporting, like, I guess,
cause she has to be, that’s her role.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Eugene: yeah.

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And the, there’ve been like, so.

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Like the, arts education or the.

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Any kind of design education, I’m
guessing we’ll have to start somewhere.

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Eugene: and we, Eugene: we, Eugene: we
feel blessed that they’re considering as

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an opportunity to, to be used as a medium
to develop the design space much better.

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Yeah.

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Adrian: Cause that, that kind of
all started, I guess for us with

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the ‘Design Connections’ program,
Adrian: Juli from the team.

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Adrian: was invited to go in 2017.

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Then you, I was in London during
2018 anyway, and then you were

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invited in 2019 and I think Meti,
actually 2016 from Addis Design Week.

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Eugene: Interesting.

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So it

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Adrian: seems like, yeah, that’s, it’s,
Adrian: it’s a program for festival

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and museum directors, isn’t it?

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So I think it’s definitely something
that more people, well, if more

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people are made aware of it, I’m sure
they’ll have many, much more interest.

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I think it’s a really great program.

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Yeah.

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Adrian: and then you applied for
the biennales and festivals grant.

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Eugene: Yes Eugene: to bring a
connection from the UK, Eugene:

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of, Eugene: and, and we got that.

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And that’s how we got NEON Eugene:
my time at the design connection

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thing, yo, was, was eye opening,
you know, as Kampala Design Week.

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We.

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The idea of upskilling
is not just theoretical.

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We want to go the practical route too.

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But like practical education is
how it almost comes off as is.

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That it’s either vocational or
theoretical and there’s not many

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universities that are playing hard
to Eugene: to like mix those two.

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But also there’s the idea that, Eugene:
Like if you focus too much on the

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theoretic, sorry, on the practical,
your, your ceiling is limited.

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You can only be this kind
of person or that kind of

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person or something like that.

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Yeah.

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Eugene: but we’ve.

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With my time at DC at the
Makerversity as a design connection

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Eugene: I just kept thinking about how
when we, when we, when we went to visit

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the Makerversity, and so how they have
all this equipment laid out and how they

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have managed to turn it into a business.

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That for me was, was pretty exciting
and I’m trying to figure out how to.

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To adjust that to our space.

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Yeah.

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Adrian: Okay, great.

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Do you want to tell us more about that

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Eugene: or, yeah.

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Eugene: how loud are they?

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Adrian: Oh, I can’t hear them actually.

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Eugene: Awesome as getting worried.

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Eugene: Yeah.

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Eugene: so the make, Eugene:
idea for the maker space is that.

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There’s going to be, it’s valuable
to have theoretical education

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alongside, Eugene: practical education.

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And we hope that’s, for example,
that fellowship that we work with in

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partnership with a particular university.

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Eugene: that, that fellowship, the
fellows out of that will create

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things that will contribute to
the design weeks that come up.

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Hmm.

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That would be a start of their works
and maybe then the works can move

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to places like Nairobi Design Week.

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Design Week Addis Ababa and the
London Design Biennale etc.

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Eugene: through all the
connections that we built.

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So that’s, that is a ultimate
longterm plan for it.

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And we hope that then these fellows will
attract, you know, better quality fellows

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and, Eugene: we’ll, we’ll generally
have an increase improvement and

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marked improvement in terms of design,
education, but also design output.

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Yeah.

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So, Adrian: I wanted to go
back to KDW because a lot has

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happened in the last week.

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So tell us a bit about your,
the events that you’ve, you’ve

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been running personally.

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Eugene: I had one main workshop
that I was paying attention to.

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Eugene: the, the everyday workshop,
Eugene: with, Eugene: Adengo

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architecture and NEON, Eugene:
the one that was supported by

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the British council, ADF grant.

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Eugene: so that’s obviously
because, Eugene: the main reporting

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person was going to be me.

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A lot of stuff had to.

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I was overlooking a
lot of stuff with that.

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Eugene: but that I also had the
team have a team that’s been

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running the rest of the design week.

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Eugene: and there’s, there’s
Daudi Ogutu who’s been doing

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a lot of our social media.

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Eugene: his company Kafunda
Creative, came on board like.

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Exactly 40 days to the design week.

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And, Eugene: they took over the
management and development of the website.

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We had no website last year.

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We had no website until
maybe 45 days ago actually.

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Eugene: they took over that
and they’re like fixing it up,

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basically flying the plane as the.

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Building the plane as they fly it, which
is, which is very, Eugene: brave of them.

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Eugene: but also Elijah who has been
really fundamental in managing the

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program and solving all the problems
that were showing up in my absence.

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Eugene: Patrick, who, Eugene: Was in
the earlier part, Eugene: pushing the,

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was the festival director and then at
the process developed into him, Eugene:

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becoming a content creator throughout
the whole, Eugene: the whole time.

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And then Millie, who, who really did an
awesome job doing the administration on

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the, during the, during the ADF, Eugene:
‘the everyday’ workshop, just because.

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I couldn’t be in five
places at the same time.

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So sometimes I’d leave her there and she
would solve whatever Eugene: comes up.

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Eugene: while I’m elsewhere.

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Eugene: working stuff out.

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But we’ve also been blessed to
have, Eugene: like some awesome.

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Like partners and curators.

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So the curators for this year, Eugene:
how we do ETA in Kampala is that we,

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I reached out to someone who I know
is strong within the space, within a

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particular field of design, and ask
them if they’d be interested in like

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building our holiday around that.

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Field, and then they
figured out how to do that.

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Eugene: and our curator for the UX
UI, Michael really did a good job,

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Eugene: curator for the product design
there, but also introduced, Eugene:

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a really interesting conversation
that, Eugene: design and the political

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and how, how, how, how can design,
how does design interfere or.

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Interact with the individual
and because the individual has

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autonomy, they are political.

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So how are those two things there?

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Eugene: she did a good job just
like managing a conversation

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on that really touchy subject.

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Eugene: that there, there was a lot of
strong feelings around the conversation.

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Yeah.

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Eugene: Yeah.

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Eugene: So a charity who did the
product, Eugene: product design day

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and like how the organization that
she works for DWB ‘design without

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borders’, what does Africa like also
owned, took up and on the day and did

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studio to us and did a lot of training
and demonstration of that staff, etc.

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Eugene: Who else?

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Yes, and then we had sound
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we had to do two as on Thursday.

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We just went really to design without
borders and creatures animation.

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So it’s an animation studio.

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They’re a product design studio.

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Eugene: and then we also
had the sound design.

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this was at the Milligan
cultural foundation.

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Eugene: this is awesome guys like also
gave us like sound on the opening night.

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They like, Eugene: talking,
speaking to their founder.

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He was like, I understand like
beginning, like the settings of things.

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So it’s, it’s kawa.

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Eugene: but together with.

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He works for a thing called,
let me try and remember it.

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Together with Enock Ikiriza,
Eugene: from the usual suspects.

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Eugene: it’s like they curated
an amazing sound design.

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They, I did not, I didn’t have the
opportunity to drop by and I’m waiting

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for like a, a review, a report of that.

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But from the photos I saw, there was a
literal fire side, which was really cool.

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Eugene: and.

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And the conversation, you know,
Andrew, our lead photographer,

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was sharing about how, Eugene: the
conversations were really deep and

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awesome waiting to hear the recording.

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The other thing that we’ve done is,
Eugene: for all our fireside chats, we’ve,

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we’ve actually had a podcast kind of
recording, Eugene: for them that we’re

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going to add onto a website, Eugene: in
and together with all the various videos

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and etc and content that we put together.

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Yeah.

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Adrian: Nice.

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Well, I want to hear more
about that in a minute.

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About the outputs from the festival.

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And I wanted to go back to the
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the one with the British council.

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The everyday.

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Yeah.

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Adrian: because the, well, you hosted it
at Yamasen restaurant and I’d just like

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you to go in into more detail because I
think the project’s really interesting and

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I think, Adrian: first of all, the way.

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That you used an object that already
exists in a technique, and then how

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that ended up creating so many other
things that were very different to it.

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Eugene: Yeah.

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Eugene: So I like my role, the
role that Kampala Design Week

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was playing in this particular
project was really the organizer.

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So I had the opportunity to be
both outside and inside, so not

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know exactly what the discussions
were when the happening, but

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also see the progress of things.

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And then have.

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They’ll put you needed to, to ask
people questions after they figured

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Eugene: out, like after they know
what they are trained to do with this.

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Eugene: it was a very, from what I could
see, no one knew where it was going

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and were surprised by the end of it.

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Eugene: but so the general idea
was we took an everyday object.

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We wanted to take an everyday object,
deconstruct it, and see what new

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ways in which it could perform.

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Eugene: so in this case, it was a three
legged stool with, Eugene: with, Eugene:

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Cable running around, cane running around
it, that then creates a stool and a

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really three leg base, which is really
strong, and then a gap, a space to sit on.

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So there are also cultural
connotations attached to it.

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When the carpenters who put it
together, how they described it,

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they call it, Eugene: it’s commonly
known as mama from mother is cooking.

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But that’s actually not
what it was known for.

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It was known, Eugene: to
be, Eugene: to be used by.

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By like the real proper Muganda, the woman
would never be caught dead sitting on it.

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Eugene: so they needed, because it,
because it had an open underneath.

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Eugene: So like.

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You’d never sat on that thing.

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And the first time a Royal
Muganda woman could sit on it,

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was when you had a pillow on it.

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So there are also those interesting
cultural connotations of getting something

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that’s looked so overlooked here, and
then making it perform, and especially

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in a space as high quality as Yamasen.

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So those, those two contradictions
of Eugene: something in

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such a beautiful place.

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Eugene: Yeah.

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And so together with Adengo
Architecture neon and about 10 students,

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architecture, graphics, design, Eugene:
we had a lawyer in there, I think.

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Eugene: product and
industrial designers, etc.

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All these 10 came together and.

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We’re given, you know,
steps through the challenge.

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The first step was, can
you deconstruct these?

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Can you take it apart
and put it back together?

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The carpenters will make this thing came.

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They demonstrated it.

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Then people realized Eugene: this
thing is really difficult to put

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together and, and then take apart.

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Eugene: and then the next place, the
next question was, what can you in, in

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groups, what can you do with it that
will either make it move, that will

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make it, Eugene: build or that would.

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I don’t remember what the third one was.

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But in the students went what I had,
and like some cut it up into bits,

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some figured out that if you try to
straighten out the material, like some

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learned material, basics, like, or follow
the material grain, things like that.

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Eugene: and then in the end they
went back to the same idea of

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a solid basae, which is the.

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I’m taking off the nod
from the original stool.

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So they built a solid base on the
ground and then put cane on top.

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Eugene: and, and this, in this case, it
came from being a stool that is used by

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a single individual into a structure that
is experienced by the full body, which

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was like mind blowing in that context.

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Yeah.

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Eugene: and we hope that.

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Design week as Kampala Design Week.

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We hope that we’re going to put the full
story of this properly together already.

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We already have part of it ready.

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Eugene: but the full one, including
the stories of the students and

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like the full stories of the
students and their experiences in

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both the written photographic form.

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Eugene: just to demonstrate and
share the value of collaboration.

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Cause.

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That was not know.

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That’s

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Adrian: interesting.

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Yeah.

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I really enjoyed the project.

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I think the fact that you created a
large installation piece was good.

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You know?

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It was really a strong addition
to, because it let people feel

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the project in a different way.

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Eugene: Yeah, yeah.

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Someone called it the
green moving Caterpillar.

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Adrian: Yes, yes.

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I believe I heard that as well.

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But yes.

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Sleeping, Caterpillar sleeping, I believe.

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Yeah.

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It goes from green to
yellow and orange, and

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Eugene: psychadelic

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Adrian: yeah.

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But it looks like something that you could
use as a space for quite, quite versatile.

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Adrian: Okay.

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So tell me about, you said you’ve been
recording podcasts, you’ve been doing,

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Adrian: documentation of the festival.

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What can we look forward to?

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If we miss the festival?

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Eugene: you should come to 2020.

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Eugene: that’s a good start.

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Then.

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You won’t have to miss anything.

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Yeah.

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Eugene: but, Eugene: the three,
the four fireside chats that,

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Eugene: have been conversations
with designers, Eugene: exploring.

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Eugene: subjects such as, Eugene: the
value of UX, UI and how heritage, Eugene:

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impact that, which we did at SafeBoda.

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Eugene: and then the ‘design
and the political’, which we

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did at, Eugene: at, at Goethe.

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And then yesterday’s, fireside chat.

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Eugene: and then this evening,
this afternoon, Eugene: gaming and

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graphics design, Eugene: you know,
panel conversation fireside talk.

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Eugene: so those would be, does that
all going to be available in audio.

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Eugene: Primarily in audio
and then, and then write ups?

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Eugene: the reason it was
in, there’s far less video.

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Eugene: this year is maybe
because I’m a control freak and

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I know that it will have to be.

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Eugene: but that will be,
we’ll figure that out next year

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when we’re raised more money.

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Eugene: How about you, how is
Nairobi Design Week coming?

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Adrian: Good.

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Eugene: so we’ll get to around 70 and
then wake up at like 50 and go like,

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Adrian: I don’t think it’s possible to
forget, but I, yeah, I think it’s a.

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Adrian: in the time right now where
it’s things are coming together, but

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definitely feeling the time pressure.

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I think one six months ticks,
you know, that you’ve got

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less than half the time you

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Eugene: had.

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Adrian: Yeah.

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So that’s what it starts really hitting.

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Eugene: Yeah.

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Adrian: But you guys also
do monthly events right?

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Eugene: Yeah.

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So, Eugene: we ran a thing called the
design garage, and this is a knowledge

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sharing space where we get, we.

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So I’m lucky that I played in the
creative space for a while before the

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Kampala Design Week idea came through.

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So there’s people I grew up watching on
the sidelines getting bad ass at what they

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do, and now I, I didn’t become friends
with them because I knew Kampala Design

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Week is coming up, but we just happened.

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To share so many interests.

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And now there’s a bunch of those
that, Eugene: like we call on to, to

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come and speak to, Eugene: students
and young and young professionals

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who are just getting into the space.

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Eugene: some of these guys share their
stories about how to fail and like

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disappear for awhile and come back and
make a fresh start, Eugene: about how to

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transition from career X to career Y and
how to, Eugene: generally be able to…

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to apply your design thinking skills
to anything from relationships

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to politics, to be economy
and I, all that kind of stuff.

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It’s usually, Eugene: There are,
there are longer conversations and

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singular focused conversations.

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Eugene: they’re fireside
chats, but with one panelist.

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Yeah.

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So that’s what we usually go
for, and it happens once a month.

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This year we.

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We were lucky that we
won earlier in the year.

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We won a small grant from Goethe Zentrum
/Institut, and we test run the idea of

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design garages, Eugene: outside of town.

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Because I, in our first year, we
ran them fully in Kampala because

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it’s near the costs of ours.

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The taxation is mainly, Eugene:
facilitating, you know, the friends

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transport, refund or something like that.

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But we really wanted to go outside and
going to universities and see how does

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this idea, you know, connect with them.

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And, and this year we’ve
studied, we’ve had a number of,

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of learnings in that regard.

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Eugene: so wait to see how to
adjust it so it can, work next year.

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Adrian: So who have you hosted?

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Adrian: how are you, how have you adapted.

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Eugene: so we, we’ve learned who
have, we hosted, Eugene: again,

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Charity Mugisha and about curators.

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She keeps the from design without borders.

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Yeah.

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And, Eugene: together with her, went
down to Uganda matters university.

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It’s in, cause it’s about
two hours out of town.

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Eugene: Yeah.

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And she has a background in
architecture and in like, I think

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graphics design or something like that.

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She, she went to some dope university.

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I don’t remember which, and I
just remember that when I Googled

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it, I didn’t see that coming.

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Yeah.

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Eugene: but also bef.

442
00:21:58,613 –> 00:21:58,823
Yeah.

443
00:21:58,823 –> 00:22:02,543
So we had her we had,
we’ve had an animator.

444
00:22:02,873 –> 00:22:08,153
We’ve had, Eugene: a gastronomist a
chef, Eugene: come and share how they use

445
00:22:08,153 –> 00:22:10,643
design in their food and stuff like that.

446
00:22:11,103 –> 00:22:15,393
Eugene: we’ve had another architect
who was exploring how to use abstract

447
00:22:15,393 –> 00:22:18,363
thinking to be able to solve,
Eugene: things that come your way.

448
00:22:18,903 –> 00:22:19,383
Yeah.

449
00:22:19,413 –> 00:22:21,603
And then the design
week planning took over.

450
00:22:23,743 –> 00:22:27,413
Adrian: So you mentioned, Adrian: that
you’ve been in the creative industry

451
00:22:27,413 –> 00:22:31,313
for some time, for quite some time, and
you’ve managed to meet all these people.

452
00:22:31,313 –> 00:22:33,893
So obviously besides Kampala design

453
00:22:33,893 –> 00:22:34,193
Eugene: week.

454
00:22:35,018 –> 00:22:36,008
Adrian: You have a life?

455
00:22:36,518 –> 00:22:37,358
Eugene: I do.

456
00:22:37,448 –> 00:22:38,168
I live.

457
00:22:39,188 –> 00:22:39,698
Yeah.

458
00:22:39,808 –> 00:22:41,998
Eugene: I’m a, I’m a photographer.

459
00:22:42,058 –> 00:22:45,058
Eugene: but also business
development director for a content

460
00:22:45,058 –> 00:22:46,918
creation firm called eight media.

461
00:22:47,328 –> 00:22:51,658
Eugene: and most all of our, our
clientele fall within the, Eugene:

462
00:22:51,658 –> 00:22:54,298
the human rights and democracy space.

463
00:22:54,643 –> 00:22:59,143
Eugene: we have figured out how to
tell those very tricky questions and

464
00:22:59,143 –> 00:23:02,893
still remain low-key, Eugene: in, in
our work, Eugene: because it’s, it’s

465
00:23:02,893 –> 00:23:04,723
useful to be able to do that as well.

466
00:23:05,213 –> 00:23:06,143
Eugene: I, yeah.

467
00:23:06,263 –> 00:23:10,553
I also ran a twin travel, Eugene: and
studying, Eugene: Product design, you

468
00:23:10,553 –> 00:23:12,683
know, not really studying carpentry.

469
00:23:13,013 –> 00:23:17,053
So I can be, Eugene: I have a few
ideas that I want to test out and

470
00:23:17,053 –> 00:23:18,523
see how they get onto the market.

471
00:23:18,973 –> 00:23:19,663
Adrian: Okay.

472
00:23:20,053 –> 00:23:21,403
I’m looking forward to seeing those.

473
00:23:21,493 –> 00:23:21,973
Eugene: Yeah.

474
00:23:22,033 –> 00:23:22,363
Yeah.

475
00:23:22,423 –> 00:23:25,523
Adrian: I might’ve even seen them
in your house and not realizing,

476
00:23:26,713 –> 00:23:27,083
Eugene: no.

477
00:23:27,923 –> 00:23:33,913
But a primary passion is, I really loved
sound and, Eugene: I enjoy photography.

478
00:23:34,673 –> 00:23:35,123
Yeah.

479
00:23:35,213 –> 00:23:39,833
I have a bet coming up that if I
don’t, if I don’t run an exhibition,

480
00:23:39,833 –> 00:23:44,033
the first one in my life, I will
have to pay my business partner at

481
00:23:44,033 –> 00:23:46,373
eight media, 2 million shillings.

482
00:23:46,463 –> 00:23:51,813
So I keep saying this out loud, so
I remember how much I have to lose.

483
00:23:52,553 –> 00:23:53,783
That’s a, that’s about,

484
00:23:54,143 –> 00:23:56,163
Adrian: it’s a lot of money anyways…

485
00:23:56,163 –> 00:23:59,053
700USD

486
00:23:59,283 –> 00:23:59,803
Eugene: as a bet?

487
00:24:00,453 –> 00:24:01,693
Well you

488
00:24:01,693 –> 00:24:03,523
Adrian: have to make the exhibit

489
00:24:03,523 –> 00:24:03,613
work

490
00:24:03,668 –> 00:24:06,398
Eugene: I have to make the
exhibit work now cause I’ve been

491
00:24:06,398 –> 00:24:07,658
talking about it for a while.

492
00:24:07,658 –> 00:24:10,808
I’m collecting my works, but every
time I look at data I’m like.

493
00:24:11,528 –> 00:24:11,618
Yeah.

494
00:24:11,858 –> 00:24:12,908
It could do better.

495
00:24:13,028 –> 00:24:13,538
Yeah.

496
00:24:13,598 –> 00:24:15,878
So now he’s like, fine, let you do better.

497
00:24:15,878 –> 00:24:20,198
I just pay me 700 and a,
you can keep doing better.

498
00:24:20,228 –> 00:24:22,298
So I, I really don’t to
give away free money.

499
00:24:22,828 –> 00:24:26,068
Well, I mean, I’ve seen, I’ve seen
the photography, I like the, some of

500
00:24:26,068 –> 00:24:27,598
the framing and so on that you have.

501
00:24:27,688 –> 00:24:28,138
Yeah.

502
00:24:28,318 –> 00:24:30,628
It’s intention that, that we’re
recording outside the house.

503
00:24:31,278 –> 00:24:32,428
I’m also private.

504
00:24:32,728 –> 00:24:33,628
Ah ha.

505
00:24:33,668 –> 00:24:35,788
Adrian: Ha ha ha.

506
00:24:35,948 –> 00:24:36,968
Very interesting.

507
00:24:37,868 –> 00:24:40,788
Adrian: well, we’re, Adrian: enjoying
the Kampala sunshine out here.

508
00:24:40,788 –> 00:24:45,108
I think what I do enjoy in Kampala
actually, there’s far less noise around

509
00:24:45,108 –> 00:24:48,288
us than they might be in other cities.

510
00:24:48,378 –> 00:24:50,118
And it’s very green.

511
00:24:50,298 –> 00:24:50,718
Yeah.

512
00:24:51,198 –> 00:24:51,768
Is it like

513
00:24:51,798 –> 00:24:52,668
Eugene: this all year round?

514
00:24:52,808 –> 00:24:53,288
Eugene: no.

515
00:24:53,468 –> 00:24:53,798
No.

516
00:24:53,918 –> 00:24:55,718
Well, the, the silence, I guess.

517
00:24:56,143 –> 00:24:59,693
Eugene: it’s usually this way,
but it does get pretty dusty.

518
00:25:00,133 –> 00:25:03,163
Eugene: yeah, I do tend to come
back home with colorful hair.

519
00:25:03,763 –> 00:25:04,093
Yeah.

520
00:25:04,153 –> 00:25:07,693
Because the roads are very expressive.

521
00:25:07,833 –> 00:25:12,213
Every time someone rumbles over them,
they, they express their anger with dust.

522
00:25:14,433 –> 00:25:14,963
Adrian: Yeah.

523
00:25:15,773 –> 00:25:16,543
Sounds familiar.

524
00:25:16,613 –> 00:25:16,773
Yeah.

525
00:25:16,773 –> 00:25:17,353
Cool.

526
00:25:18,253 –> 00:25:18,583
Cool.

527
00:25:18,583 –> 00:25:23,913
So tell me more about some of
your other partners at KDW.

528
00:25:25,168 –> 00:25:28,058
Eugene: I’ll go, I’ll start with
today’s, today’s, Eugene: tribe.

529
00:25:28,568 –> 00:25:29,558
So it’s interesting.

530
00:25:29,558 –> 00:25:32,748
There’s, Eugene: there’s an
animation collective called tribe.

531
00:25:33,268 –> 00:25:37,958
Eugene: and then there’s a company
within that called Elupe Comix.

532
00:25:38,308 –> 00:25:42,308
Those guys are, Eugene: under the,
that they’re, one of the, Eugene:

533
00:25:42,308 –> 00:25:44,288
team members is called Lorianne.

534
00:25:44,798 –> 00:25:47,828
He’s been a curator for the
gaming and graphics design day.

535
00:25:48,278 –> 00:25:50,058
So our partners for that are Elupe.

536
00:25:51,308 –> 00:25:53,348
And tribe the comics collection.

537
00:25:54,743 –> 00:25:58,813
But for interior design, Eugene: workshop,
we have, Eugene: simplex favours shop.

538
00:25:58,843 –> 00:26:00,463
It’s like an interior design firm.

539
00:26:00,803 –> 00:26:03,923
Eugene: when I make some money next
year, I’m looking forward to inviting

540
00:26:03,923 –> 00:26:06,143
them to do stuff within my house.

541
00:26:06,143 –> 00:26:07,943
I like the idea of minimalism.

542
00:26:08,253 –> 00:26:13,503
I’m too cluttered, so I’d love for
someone to simply, empty out the

543
00:26:13,533 –> 00:26:15,903
space and make it much more proper.

544
00:26:16,143 –> 00:26:19,233
But yeah, the guys at simplex favours,
they will be running a workshop

545
00:26:19,233 –> 00:26:22,853
today on, on how to, Eugene: to, to
set up your living room on a budget,

546
00:26:23,263 –> 00:26:26,143
Eugene: and which better people to
come set up my living room, you know,

547
00:26:26,563 –> 00:26:27,243
Adrian: a lot of fun.

548
00:26:27,393 –> 00:26:27,903
Eugene: Yeah.

549
00:26:27,963 –> 00:26:30,693
And then, Eugene: We’ve also
had, Eugene: guys like SafeBoda,

550
00:26:30,713 –> 00:26:34,383
Eugene: through Michael Senyonjo
Eugene: their lead product.

551
00:26:35,053 –> 00:26:41,473
UX, UI person, Eugene: through Michael,
they allowed him to do the work, but also

552
00:26:41,533 –> 00:26:45,073
to recruit some of their team members
to participate in the whole process.

553
00:26:45,573 –> 00:26:50,783
Eugene: and also, Eugene: so Eugene:
Allianz Francais who given us space to

554
00:26:50,783 –> 00:26:55,713
run, Eugene: another UX UI workshop, but
also, Eugene: Goethe Zentrum, who gave us

555
00:26:55,713 –> 00:26:57,813
the same space to run another discussion.

556
00:26:58,203 –> 00:27:03,423
Eugene: And we also the Uganda Museum,
the guys who made it possible, we were the

557
00:27:03,423 –> 00:27:08,273
first ever event that they allowed for us
to, to, Eugene: the very first event that

558
00:27:08,273 –> 00:27:12,083
was allowed to use that space in their,
in the history of the Uganda museum.

559
00:27:12,083 –> 00:27:15,863
There’s, there’s other places that
they, they send people to, but we

560
00:27:15,863 –> 00:27:19,403
asked for that and they give it to
us, no questions, which are like,

561
00:27:19,973 –> 00:27:22,343
Adrian: yeah, good support
by the Uganda museum.

562
00:27:22,393 –> 00:27:25,393
Eugene: they give us a space that
they don’t often give out, which

563
00:27:25,393 –> 00:27:27,133
made us feel special and believed in.

564
00:27:27,493 –> 00:27:30,883
Adengo Architecture and Eugene: would
just like, when they came, they took

565
00:27:30,883 –> 00:27:34,313
the workshop of, Eugene: I guess they
would just come and say, we need this.

566
00:27:34,313 –> 00:27:37,793
And I’m like, I’ll be back Eugene:
The opening night and Yamasen and

567
00:27:37,793 –> 00:27:41,313
the restaurant, and then Diro who
like, Eugene: allowed us to use their

568
00:27:41,313 –> 00:27:46,573
facilities and, and were very cordial
and welcoming to us and, Eugene: and

569
00:27:46,613 –> 00:27:50,243
their willingness to have our public
art installation in their space.

570
00:27:50,243 –> 00:27:53,333
That that’s just really dope,
just as Kampala Design Week.

571
00:27:53,393 –> 00:27:57,513
Like we, Eugene: yamasen and allowed
us to put something there…awesome

572
00:27:57,853 –> 00:28:01,723
Eugene: and then the British council who,
Eugene: supported have been part of like.

573
00:28:03,088 –> 00:28:03,898
Everything.

574
00:28:03,898 –> 00:28:04,258
Really.

575
00:28:04,888 –> 00:28:05,308
Yeah.

576
00:28:05,578 –> 00:28:06,088
It really did.

577
00:28:06,088 –> 00:28:07,548
One page of everything, which was.

578
00:28:08,248 –> 00:28:09,088
Which is really cool.

579
00:28:09,448 –> 00:28:09,628
So

580
00:28:09,628 –> 00:28:12,778
Adrian: what are you doing with
the installation and all the

581
00:28:12,778 –> 00:28:15,118
objects from, from the exhibition?

582
00:28:15,478 –> 00:28:16,918
Eugene: Oh, there is one object.

583
00:28:17,488 –> 00:28:18,088
Eugene: but,

584
00:28:18,478 –> 00:28:24,538
Adrian: well, there were actually, I
think there were a few chairs, but also

585
00:28:24,628 –> 00:28:24,998
Eugene: the,

586
00:28:25,688 –> 00:28:26,058
hat

587
00:28:26,058 –> 00:28:28,828
Adrian: or another kind of
form of chair or some wall

588
00:28:28,828 –> 00:28:31,348
decoration that could feasibly.

589
00:28:31,918 –> 00:28:35,788
Be be used, put to use by some
people, but also, yeah, the

590
00:28:35,878 –> 00:28:37,768
installation itself, it’s quite large.

591
00:28:37,858 –> 00:28:38,248
Eugene: Yeah.

592
00:28:38,998 –> 00:28:44,878
So we, we have a dream of installing
it in the Makerere Art Gallery.

593
00:28:45,298 –> 00:28:46,648
Eugene: like the full process.

594
00:28:47,798 –> 00:28:50,108
Eugene: how the students were
thinking through the whole thing,

595
00:28:50,108 –> 00:28:52,898
but also the testimonials of their
students with their profiles.

596
00:28:53,238 –> 00:28:55,668
Eugene: the audio connect, the
audio, whatever is of that,

597
00:28:55,698 –> 00:28:57,648
the visual of what happened.

598
00:28:57,678 –> 00:29:02,658
We did commission a photographer who
went by to shoot it yesterday, and in

599
00:29:02,658 –> 00:29:04,398
two weeks we’ll have the results of that.

600
00:29:04,698 –> 00:29:10,368
And so we do aim to exhibit it Makerere
art gallery, whenever we can raise

601
00:29:10,368 –> 00:29:15,838
that funding so that we, Eugene: We
have that very, it’s that we know,

602
00:29:16,108 –> 00:29:17,848
we know what we want to achieve.

603
00:29:17,848 –> 00:29:21,278
We just, Eugene: waiting for
the right moment to move it.

604
00:29:21,938 –> 00:29:25,768
But in the meantime, Eugene: it’s
going to be at the Yamasen for

605
00:29:25,768 –> 00:29:29,108
the next two weeks, so we’ll be
asking people to go check it out.

606
00:29:29,378 –> 00:29:29,858
Adrian: Okay.

607
00:29:30,068 –> 00:29:30,248
Yeah.

608
00:29:30,278 –> 00:29:33,808
So you’re on the lookout for
galleries to partner with on potential

609
00:29:34,118 –> 00:29:34,918
Eugene: future things

610
00:29:35,678 –> 00:29:36,228
Yeah.

611
00:29:36,248 –> 00:29:37,068
I’m a photographer.

612
00:29:37,088 –> 00:29:42,308
I am looking for galleries to partner
with, once I survive this $700 thing,

613
00:29:42,788 –> 00:29:43,928
Adrian: you better not lose that.

614
00:29:43,958 –> 00:29:44,198
Eugene: Yeah, yeah.

615
00:29:44,198 –> 00:29:46,918
I am looking for that.

616
00:29:46,918 –> 00:29:50,168
The goal really is now I’m not
going to, I don’t want to do an

617
00:29:50,168 –> 00:29:51,758
exhibition that only ends here.

618
00:29:52,358 –> 00:29:52,778
Yeah.

619
00:29:52,838 –> 00:29:57,008
If I can move it around and the story
of unable to obey is shared much

620
00:29:57,008 –> 00:29:59,798
wider and perhaps leads to someone.

621
00:30:00,323 –> 00:30:01,793
Becoming disobedient.

622
00:30:02,523 –> 00:30:04,973
I’d be happy to do that.

623
00:30:05,393 –> 00:30:10,993
Adrian: So, Adrian: besides your monthly
events, Adrian: how, how can people

624
00:30:10,993 –> 00:30:14,923
within the community, if someone’s
a creative or a designer in Kampala.

625
00:30:15,403 –> 00:30:17,713
How can they be involved
in this community?

626
00:30:18,113 –> 00:30:21,503
Eugene: so, Eugene: a good way
to do that is to follow us on

627
00:30:21,503 –> 00:30:22,973
our social media at the moment.

628
00:30:23,223 –> 00:30:25,833
Eugene: I know that a couple of
things are going to change for

629
00:30:25,833 –> 00:30:27,423
us going into the next year.

630
00:30:27,793 –> 00:30:30,073
Eugene: so I can’t exactly say.

631
00:30:30,358 –> 00:30:33,928
Eugene: by this date and this time
we’ll be doing this, but for sure

632
00:30:33,928 –> 00:30:38,338
that we know that we tend to put out
information about what we’re going

633
00:30:38,338 –> 00:30:40,768
to do, at least three weeks to it.

634
00:30:41,218 –> 00:30:44,338
So please follow us on
all our social media.

635
00:30:44,678 –> 00:30:46,538
Eugene: channels, Kampala Design Week.

636
00:30:46,568 –> 00:30:49,808
That’s KAMPALA DESIGN WEEK Eugene: and
see where we’re at, what we’re up to.

637
00:30:50,228 –> 00:30:53,588
A lot of this content is going to
start off there and a lot of the

638
00:30:53,588 –> 00:30:56,138
conversation that we’re going to push
it, that’s all going to be driven off

639
00:30:56,138 –> 00:31:00,178
of there, Eugene: before it becomes,
Eugene: because for us, it’s the most.

640
00:31:01,288 –> 00:31:04,918
Currently the most affordable way to start
the message, to start getting the message

641
00:31:04,918 –> 00:31:10,588
out there so build the online momentum
and come execute it in the physical.

642
00:31:11,038 –> 00:31:12,328
That so far has been our move.

643
00:31:12,328 –> 00:31:12,568
Yeah.

644
00:31:12,838 –> 00:31:13,288
Adrian: Okay.

645
00:31:13,438 –> 00:31:15,718
So what, what sort of plans
have you got for next year?

646
00:31:15,848 –> 00:31:18,648
Eugene: I want to take a break.

647
00:31:19,678 –> 00:31:20,918
Eugene: I want to take a break then.

648
00:31:21,028 –> 00:31:21,838
Eugene: I dunno.

649
00:31:21,918 –> 00:31:24,508
I’m worried about speaking about
things that haven’t thought.

650
00:31:25,588 –> 00:31:26,368
Absolutely.

651
00:31:26,748 –> 00:31:27,268
I might say

652
00:31:27,728 –> 00:31:29,318
Adrian: So how about
reflecting on this year?

653
00:31:29,498 –> 00:31:30,818
What do you think’s gone well?

654
00:31:31,508 –> 00:31:35,558
Eugene: yeah, we, we, we could
have communicated better.

655
00:31:36,338 –> 00:31:40,068
Eugene: but as I understood my leadership
style, Eugene: so that allowed me to,

656
00:31:40,518 –> 00:31:45,618
in, towards closer to the, to the, to
the opening of the design week allowed me

657
00:31:45,618 –> 00:31:48,528
to be willing to move to people who are.

658
00:31:48,993 –> 00:31:50,973
Going to be much more responsive to it.

659
00:31:51,543 –> 00:31:54,573
Eugene: so that, that was both a good
thing, but also the, the awareness

660
00:31:54,573 –> 00:31:58,723
that you have to terminate particular,
Eugene: relationships was, yeah.

661
00:31:58,783 –> 00:32:05,023
Was, Eugene: it wasn’t, it wasn’t
particularly bad, but we just felt

662
00:32:05,023 –> 00:32:07,363
like, Eugene: A betrayal of social.

663
00:32:07,393 –> 00:32:07,723
Yeah.

664
00:32:07,753 –> 00:32:12,163
Like, Oh, I feel like we started year
1 together, but the dreams that we need

665
00:32:12,163 –> 00:32:17,033
to move towards do it doesn’t feel like
you’re stepping up to the challenge etc.

666
00:32:17,413 –> 00:32:21,603
Eugene: we have had a challenge
in, in crystal clear communicatio.

667
00:32:22,633 –> 00:32:24,193
We do need to improve on that.

668
00:32:24,693 –> 00:32:27,933
Eugene: and the speed at which
we, we put information out there.

669
00:32:28,473 –> 00:32:31,653
Eugene: The good things were like a lot
of the things we said we’re going to

670
00:32:31,653 –> 00:32:33,783
do, we’re going to do the workshops.

671
00:32:34,053 –> 00:32:41,203
We said we were going to register
people, Eugene: and call you and etc.

672
00:32:41,743 –> 00:32:44,173
But if you miss any of that,
we’re not taking you on.

673
00:32:44,623 –> 00:32:48,883
Cause we want, want to be able to,
cause most of our partners are giving

674
00:32:48,883 –> 00:32:50,443
us their space and their time for free.

675
00:32:50,863 –> 00:32:55,738
We want to be able to give them, people
who are committed to being there.

676
00:32:56,128 –> 00:32:56,488
Yeah.

677
00:32:56,548 –> 00:33:00,448
Eugene: so this year we did not take
anyone who didn’t sign up and we’re

678
00:33:00,448 –> 00:33:03,868
going to continue to do that, but
that was not a particularly popular.

679
00:33:04,868 –> 00:33:05,308
Eugene: yeah.

680
00:33:05,438 –> 00:33:08,318
Many of the events that are having,
I kept having people coming say,

681
00:33:08,558 –> 00:33:10,148
Hey, there’s this thing coming up.

682
00:33:10,178 –> 00:33:10,778
Can I come?

683
00:33:10,778 –> 00:33:12,098
And I’m like, did you register?

684
00:33:12,368 –> 00:33:13,058
No.

685
00:33:13,088 –> 00:33:14,858
By the time I just started, it was full.

686
00:33:15,818 –> 00:33:17,618
Yeah, that’s the goal.

687
00:33:20,258 –> 00:33:21,368
We’ll see you next year.

688
00:33:21,848 –> 00:33:24,308
Eugene: we did do a lot more
offline events this year.

689
00:33:24,608 –> 00:33:28,618
We had more touch points with, Eugene:
physical touch points with what.

690
00:33:29,008 –> 00:33:29,818
Tweet chats.

691
00:33:29,993 –> 00:33:33,233
Yeah, we did do tweet chats, but
we did that last year as well.

692
00:33:33,593 –> 00:33:36,413
And we realized that we only had
two offline events, the opening

693
00:33:36,413 –> 00:33:37,403
night and the closing night.

694
00:33:37,733 –> 00:33:40,823
And then the results there was
that, Eugene: it looked, it looked

695
00:33:40,823 –> 00:33:45,323
like we had done well online, but
really offline, we didn’t, we didn’t

696
00:33:45,323 –> 00:33:48,923
get any more designers joining the
community or anything like that.

697
00:33:49,313 –> 00:33:51,203
But this year that’s,
that’s been addressed.

698
00:33:51,683 –> 00:33:51,943
Eugene: Good.

699
00:33:51,973 –> 00:33:52,573
Yeah.

700
00:33:52,603 –> 00:33:54,523
Adrian: Those are nice events,
actually, I have to say.

701
00:33:55,003 –> 00:33:55,363
Yeah.

702
00:33:55,483 –> 00:33:59,833
I felt like there was a good, good
mix of people and evening events.

703
00:34:00,073 –> 00:34:00,633
Eugene: Yeah.

704
00:34:01,363 –> 00:34:01,813
Thank you.

705
00:34:03,103 –> 00:34:09,973
Adrian: so I wanted to ask about your
team and you, you’ve mentioned a few

706
00:34:09,973 –> 00:34:16,963
people, Adrian: and, and how do they kind
of fit what KDW is with what they do?

707
00:34:17,728 –> 00:34:19,318
With what they do in day to day.

708
00:34:22,018 –> 00:34:22,318
Eugene: Yeah.

709
00:34:22,318 –> 00:34:28,138
I think then maybe that’s the other
thing that this might be a difference

710
00:34:28,318 –> 00:34:29,968
between this team and the other one.

711
00:34:30,328 –> 00:34:34,768
Eugene: So a lot of the people in this
team have other, like me, have other

712
00:34:34,768 –> 00:34:36,868
things that they do to make a living.

713
00:34:37,238 –> 00:34:40,868
Eugene: but a lot of the people
like also believe in this fully.

714
00:34:41,318 –> 00:34:44,538
So, Eugene: even when we’ve had
cashflow challenges, Eugene:

715
00:34:44,538 –> 00:34:46,068
there’s been a situation of.

716
00:34:46,413 –> 00:34:48,393
I will front my, my bit of it.

717
00:34:48,603 –> 00:34:51,693
Let’s just keep track of the
accountabilities to that.

718
00:34:52,053 –> 00:34:54,573
And then at the appropriate
time, Eugene: everything will,

719
00:34:54,783 –> 00:34:56,673
will all get sorted out and etc.

720
00:34:56,773 –> 00:34:59,993
Eugene: and it was very encouraging,
Eugene: because it allowed us to

721
00:34:59,993 –> 00:35:04,073
run, to do a lot more Eugene: Yeah.

722
00:35:04,103 –> 00:35:06,443
Eugene: to do it together,
look more things happening.

723
00:35:06,863 –> 00:35:07,313
Eugene: Yeah.

724
00:35:08,013 –> 00:35:09,173
That’s how I place it.

725
00:35:10,103 –> 00:35:13,193
Adrian: Also, you’re very
passionate about design education

726
00:35:13,913 –> 00:35:18,193
and giving students access to you.

727
00:35:18,193 –> 00:35:22,493
You’re talking about more, more
programs and so on like that.

728
00:35:23,163 –> 00:35:23,843
Can you tell me

729
00:35:23,843 –> 00:35:24,113
Eugene: more?

730
00:35:24,713 –> 00:35:29,843
Eugene: It’s, it really is a, it’s a, it’s
a process that if we don’t intentionally

731
00:35:29,843 –> 00:35:33,823
pay attention to it, we are almost
always designing things, but sometimes

732
00:35:33,963 –> 00:35:36,203
up subconsciously, Eugene: that would be.

733
00:35:36,878 –> 00:35:38,288
That we don’t see its value.

734
00:35:38,738 –> 00:35:43,028
And sadly the thing about good design
is it becomes really invisible.

735
00:35:43,358 –> 00:35:45,938
You cannot see it until
maybe the chair is wobbly.

736
00:35:45,938 –> 00:35:48,068
That’s when you go like
who designed this thing?

737
00:35:48,398 –> 00:35:50,468
And in that context, the
pointer teacher interacting

738
00:35:50,468 –> 00:35:51,818
with designers in the negative.

739
00:35:52,088 –> 00:35:55,868
So the whole time that you come into
contact with design, it’s almost always

740
00:35:55,868 –> 00:35:58,328
from the complaining side of things.

741
00:35:58,658 –> 00:36:02,048
But what you’ve, like you demonstrated
to people that this like the

742
00:36:02,048 –> 00:36:03,578
thing about it is it’s a process.

743
00:36:03,948 –> 00:36:08,148
And that most as, as with most
processes, a lot of the way the

744
00:36:08,148 –> 00:36:09,948
thing is not, it’s not straight up.

745
00:36:09,948 –> 00:36:10,638
It’s not clear.

746
00:36:11,098 –> 00:36:13,708
Eugene: but also people love doctors.

747
00:36:14,578 –> 00:36:14,788
Okay.

748
00:36:14,788 –> 00:36:17,848
People allow doctors to dig into
them because they know these guys are

749
00:36:17,848 –> 00:36:20,638
putting the labor and time to do that.

750
00:36:21,388 –> 00:36:23,878
Eugene: and designers are
very much like that as well.

751
00:36:24,148 –> 00:36:27,318
But I don’t feel like, Eugene:
I don’t feel like people see the

752
00:36:27,318 –> 00:36:31,128
process and because they don’t see the
process, they don’t quite respect the

753
00:36:31,128 –> 00:36:32,838
product that this guy comes up with.

754
00:36:33,198 –> 00:36:37,128
And that means that you will
kind of stand the market.

755
00:36:37,128 –> 00:36:41,538
We’ll set a very low price for a really
awesome good, and that, that stuff

756
00:36:41,538 –> 00:36:43,338
is very demotivating for designers.

757
00:36:43,758 –> 00:36:48,228
So then they will move into something else
because, Eugene: I am not bound by my

758
00:36:48,228 –> 00:36:51,018
ethics or my, my love for these things.

759
00:36:51,468 –> 00:36:54,858
Like I can, I can, I can compromise
on this thing to make it work.

760
00:36:55,248 –> 00:36:58,458
But like with design, you know,
you have put, in the years you have

761
00:36:58,788 –> 00:37:03,348
putting the study on YouTube in
classes and stuff like that, and you

762
00:37:03,348 –> 00:37:04,278
know, the Eugene: that will work.

763
00:37:04,278 –> 00:37:05,118
And sometimes.

764
00:37:05,518 –> 00:37:09,118
Because no one has seen that process
or there’s no formal, formal way

765
00:37:09,118 –> 00:37:10,498
of checking out that process.

766
00:37:10,958 –> 00:37:14,498
Eugene: people are hesitant to, to
pay the appropriate prices, and I

767
00:37:14,498 –> 00:37:21,128
think that that’s why I’m very, I’m
passionate about design education.

768
00:37:21,868 –> 00:37:22,198
Yeah.

769
00:37:22,348 –> 00:37:26,298
Or maybe because I also like talking
too much, but no, it’s like I, I

770
00:37:26,308 –> 00:37:31,188
really love learning new things and
I think that there’s always, many

771
00:37:31,188 –> 00:37:33,508
designers I know are like that.

772
00:37:33,808 –> 00:37:35,078
They are ‘multi-potentialites’.

773
00:37:35,098 –> 00:37:39,898
In essence, they would want to be
painters and come back into the,

774
00:37:40,618 –> 00:37:44,158
and, you know, draw models of
awesome products, things like that.

775
00:37:44,633 –> 00:37:44,963
Yeah.

776
00:37:45,263 –> 00:37:45,413
And

777
00:37:45,413 –> 00:37:47,123
Adrian: that’s what you
found as well, right?

778
00:37:47,123 –> 00:37:49,103
You were a multifaceted creative.

779
00:37:49,623 –> 00:37:50,823
Eugene: yeah.

780
00:37:51,743 –> 00:37:52,713
Yeah.

781
00:37:52,713 –> 00:37:54,803
So I also do voiceovers.

782
00:37:54,873 –> 00:37:55,563
Adrian: Oh, really?

783
00:37:55,593 –> 00:37:55,803
Wow.

784
00:37:55,813 –> 00:37:57,083
That was a pitch.

785
00:37:57,103 –> 00:37:57,473
Yeah.

786
00:37:59,403 –> 00:37:59,913
Eugene: Yeah.

787
00:38:00,023 –> 00:38:00,533
Adrian: Okay.

788
00:38:00,893 –> 00:38:04,453
So, Adrian: but back to design,
Adrian: first of all, I wanted

789
00:38:04,453 –> 00:38:08,773
to touch on, on these guys who
we met at one of your events.

790
00:38:09,393 –> 00:38:10,043
‘Kirabo’

791
00:38:10,683 –> 00:38:11,103
Eugene: gift.

792
00:38:11,193 –> 00:38:11,643
Adrian: Yes.

793
00:38:11,643 –> 00:38:12,003
Gift.

794
00:38:12,003 –> 00:38:14,043
It means gift in Luganda.

795
00:38:14,163 –> 00:38:18,573
Yeah, it’s, it’s written with a K
like Kirabo, but pronounced cheater.

796
00:38:18,573 –> 00:38:18,843
Alba.

797
00:38:18,993 –> 00:38:19,413
Yes.

798
00:38:19,423 –> 00:38:19,923
Very nice.

799
00:38:20,193 –> 00:38:22,013
So, Adrian: can you tell
us a bit about them?

800
00:38:22,043 –> 00:38:23,213
Because we went to,

801
00:38:23,753 –> 00:38:25,043
Eugene: you’re going to tell me about

802
00:38:25,643 –> 00:38:25,903
Adrian: you.

803
00:38:25,903 –> 00:38:27,473
You haven’t been, you haven’t visited.

804
00:38:27,503 –> 00:38:28,223
Eugene: Oh,

805
00:38:28,253 –> 00:38:28,703
Adrian: there you go.

806
00:38:28,703 –> 00:38:35,363
So I probably should say they
have a cozy little workshop in.

807
00:38:35,833 –> 00:38:36,573
Kansanga.

808
00:38:36,713 –> 00:38:37,103
Eugene: Yeah,

809
00:38:37,193 –> 00:38:39,813
Adrian: that’s a very, there’s
a lot of Amharic around there.

810
00:38:39,843 –> 00:38:41,633
I believe it’s a very
Habesha neighborhood.

811
00:38:41,693 –> 00:38:42,503
Eugene: Yeah, yeah.

812
00:38:42,563 –> 00:38:42,893
Adrian: Yeah.

813
00:38:43,013 –> 00:38:45,773
So it was very nice.

814
00:38:45,803 –> 00:38:46,403
Very nice.

815
00:38:46,843 –> 00:38:51,883
Adrian: seems like Christine, the
founder, is running an organization

816
00:38:51,883 –> 00:38:53,503
where people are actually.

817
00:38:54,508 –> 00:39:00,688
Not just learning the skills,
but also learning how to create.

818
00:39:00,868 –> 00:39:03,118
So they’re actually now
designing the product.

819
00:39:03,148 –> 00:39:04,528
They’re coming up with designs.

820
00:39:04,968 –> 00:39:11,268
Adrian: I saw everything from,
well, these little snowman and

821
00:39:11,268 –> 00:39:14,338
a Christmas tree decorations.

822
00:39:14,358 –> 00:39:14,688
Yeah.

823
00:39:16,023 –> 00:39:16,323
Yeah.

824
00:39:16,563 –> 00:39:17,793
Nice, nice detailing.

825
00:39:18,493 –> 00:39:19,893
Adrian: and a good cause,

826
00:39:20,403 –> 00:39:25,953
Eugene: and I know Christine is a
detailed oriented person, I believe you.

827
00:39:26,283 –> 00:39:26,553
Adrian: Yeah.

828
00:39:27,573 –> 00:39:34,533
So tell me quickly, have you got any
design literature recommended reading or

829
00:39:34,533 –> 00:39:40,023
anything that you’re reading right now
that you’d like to get people to notice.

830
00:39:43,083 –> 00:39:45,423
Eugene: I’m not really
actively read in a long time.

831
00:39:46,323 –> 00:39:46,653
Yeah.

832
00:39:47,103 –> 00:39:50,063
So I’ve been, I’ve been reading
research papers on sound.

833
00:39:51,543 –> 00:39:52,203
Adrian: that’s good.

834
00:39:52,233 –> 00:39:53,073
That’s interesting.

835
00:39:53,103 –> 00:39:53,523
Tell me.

836
00:39:53,553 –> 00:39:55,803
Eugene: So, Eugene:
like the power of sound.

837
00:39:58,568 –> 00:40:02,828
Some guy, Eugene: who has studied
a particular square in Egypt and

838
00:40:02,828 –> 00:40:07,118
how they created, Eugene: it was so
noisy in the, in like that square.

839
00:40:07,358 –> 00:40:11,448
And what they wanted to create was a sort
of, Eugene: a sanctuary of sorts, Eugene:

840
00:40:11,448 –> 00:40:15,948
and they wanted to make a really natural,
but like, just how adding a waterfall.

841
00:40:16,178 –> 00:40:19,718
Eugene: well, and then developing
a waterfall over that, like changed

842
00:40:19,748 –> 00:40:22,658
that because the waterfall sort of
drowned out to the traffic noise.

843
00:40:23,018 –> 00:40:26,018
And so people could go sit
next to the waterfall and

844
00:40:26,408 –> 00:40:27,728
there would be this all green.

845
00:40:27,758 –> 00:40:31,388
So it was green with trees already, but
too many cars making a lot of nights.

846
00:40:31,688 –> 00:40:34,868
And his gaze counted out to that noise
with a waterfall and those, so like

847
00:40:34,868 –> 00:40:39,068
then the power of natural sounds versus
mechanical sounds and how, how they have

848
00:40:39,098 –> 00:40:41,558
the ability to, to influence our mood.

849
00:40:42,008 –> 00:40:42,368
Yeah.

850
00:40:42,398 –> 00:40:44,438
And the power of
architecture in that context.

851
00:40:44,648 –> 00:40:48,278
So the sound design and architecture
and that, those are the,

852
00:40:48,578 –> 00:40:49,758
that’s what I’ve been studying.

853
00:40:50,018 –> 00:40:50,888
Interesting.

854
00:40:50,978 –> 00:40:54,308
Adrian: Is that something for
professional instrumentation.

855
00:40:54,578 –> 00:40:58,298
Eugene: Yes it is, but that
project is not ready yet.

856
00:40:58,418 –> 00:40:58,978
Adrian: Okay.

857
00:40:59,348 –> 00:41:00,968
We’ll move swiftly onwards.

858
00:41:01,058 –> 00:41:01,418
Eugene: Yeah.

859
00:41:01,868 –> 00:41:02,228
Adrian: Great.

860
00:41:02,438 –> 00:41:02,858
Any.

861
00:41:03,638 –> 00:41:05,308
Adrian: and anything else
Adrian: you’d like to add?

862
00:41:05,378 –> 00:41:06,098
Tell us about,

863
00:41:06,668 –> 00:41:09,748
Eugene: so, Eugene: I went
you Adrian, this guy here.

864
00:41:09,988 –> 00:41:14,018
First visit, Eugene: to Nairobi
for the NIDEC, Eugene: when I run

865
00:41:14,028 –> 00:41:17,078
into you at the top of the stairs
and said, Hey, this is Eugene.

866
00:41:17,378 –> 00:41:21,278
And I want to start Kampala Design Week,
and you just went like, Oh, go for it out.

867
00:41:21,428 –> 00:41:21,968
Come on.

868
00:41:22,238 –> 00:41:22,778
Go for it.

869
00:41:23,658 –> 00:41:26,213
Is that how sound?

870
00:41:26,243 –> 00:41:26,693
Yes.

871
00:41:26,723 –> 00:41:27,503
Yes, you do.

872
00:41:27,983 –> 00:41:28,313
Wow.

873
00:41:28,973 –> 00:41:29,333
Yeah.

874
00:41:29,363 –> 00:41:33,413
You sounded like you just had
red bull five seconds ago.

875
00:41:33,908 –> 00:41:37,218
Every day, every day, like, Oh my god.

876
00:41:37,418 –> 00:41:37,988
How?

877
00:41:38,738 –> 00:41:39,308
Eugene: yeah.

878
00:41:39,428 –> 00:41:43,148
And, and, and that, that energy
and enthusiasm and even all the

879
00:41:43,148 –> 00:41:47,508
conversations we’ve had sometimes in
points of crisis, and I’m like, yo man.

880
00:41:47,828 –> 00:41:48,698
I don’t know what to do.

881
00:41:48,698 –> 00:41:51,128
How to deal with that and
how do we work around this?

882
00:41:51,398 –> 00:41:52,568
That’s been really cool, man.

883
00:41:52,598 –> 00:41:54,038
So thank you.

884
00:41:54,098 –> 00:41:55,688
That’s, that’s, that’s what I have to say.

885
00:41:56,573 –> 00:41:56,993
Well, thank

886
00:41:56,993 –> 00:42:01,883
Adrian: you for for the kind words, and
thank you for hosting us here in Kampala

887
00:42:02,483 –> 00:42:05,273
for letting me use not even your couch.

888
00:42:05,273 –> 00:42:08,183
I believe it’s your
bedroom, one of the bedrooms

889
00:42:08,213 –> 00:42:08,723
Eugene: line of that.

890
00:42:09,563 –> 00:42:10,943
Adrian: I won’t reveal the layout.

891
00:42:10,943 –> 00:42:14,993
I know you’re a private person, so
we won’t go into, into the layout.

892
00:42:15,023 –> 00:42:15,983
Eugene: Live in bedrooms.

893
00:42:15,983 –> 00:42:16,463
Of course.

894
00:42:16,493 –> 00:42:19,523
Adrian: I know, but I think being
creatives, we tend to sleep on our own

895
00:42:19,523 –> 00:42:20,333
Eugene: couches.

896
00:42:20,363 –> 00:42:20,723
Yeah.

897
00:42:20,753 –> 00:42:22,223
As more than, yeah.

898
00:42:22,473 –> 00:42:23,143
So

899
00:42:23,143 –> 00:42:25,723
Adrian: I think it’s, it’s quite
entertaining when you go to another

900
00:42:25,723 –> 00:42:28,843
guy’s house and also see they’re
sleeping on their own couch because

901
00:42:28,853 –> 00:42:29,213
Eugene: it’s,

902
00:42:29,363 –> 00:42:29,833
Adrian: it’s like,

903
00:42:31,243 –> 00:42:33,463
Eugene: get up, go to the
laptop and go back to work.

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Yeah.

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00:42:33,613 –> 00:42:34,093
Yes,

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00:42:34,233 –> 00:42:34,873
Adrian: definitely.

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00:42:34,933 –> 00:42:35,143
Yeah.

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00:42:36,533 –> 00:42:37,103
Eugene: Interesting.

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00:42:37,103 –> 00:42:38,393
I didn’t know that was a thing.

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00:42:40,043 –> 00:42:42,153
Adrian: Well, so Adrian:
you’ve mentioned you have social

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00:42:42,153 –> 00:42:43,683
media, you have the community.

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00:42:43,953 –> 00:42:47,373
How can people follow you and
where will people be able to

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00:42:47,373 –> 00:42:51,273
find all these cool videos and
podcasts that you’ve been creating?

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00:42:51,523 –> 00:42:53,953
Eugene: stuff like, Eugene: the
write ups and the photos, we’ll

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00:42:53,953 –> 00:42:55,903
be doing that on social media.

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00:42:57,313 –> 00:42:59,593
Adrian: So that’s Kampala Design Week

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00:42:59,623 –> 00:43:01,593
Eugene: KampalaDesignWeek.com.

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00:43:02,803 –> 00:43:10,433
Kampala Design Week on Twitter on
Instagram, Eugene: YouTube and Facebook.

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00:43:11,683 –> 00:43:18,303
kampaladesignweek@gmail.com or
hello@kampaladesignweek.com.

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00:43:19,753 –> 00:43:21,693
Adrian: KampalaDesignWeek.com.

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00:43:21,853 –> 00:43:22,093
Yup.

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00:43:22,633 –> 00:43:24,793
Well, Eugene, thank you so much.

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00:43:24,793 –> 00:43:25,123
It’s been a

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00:43:25,123 –> 00:43:25,573
pleasure.

"It's valuable to have theoretical education alongside, practical education... ...the fellows out of that will create things that will contribute to the design weeks that come up."

Topics covered include:

  • Starting and running a design festival, building a team, learning his leadership style.

  • His passion for design education, fellowships and working with university students.

  • Thoughts on building a creative ecosystem, makerspaces and his vision for the future of design in Uganda .

  • Why he made a $700 bet with a friend about his own exhibition!

Eugene Kavuma is the Team Lead and Founder of Kampala Design Week, an annual festival that highlights and defines the value and role of good design within the Ugandan context; champions for the upskilling, and better pay for Ugandan designers. To do this, KDW runs the only annual design festival in Uganda, Kampala Design Week; a monthly knowledge-sharing platform for designers, The Design Garage as well as a fellowship to upskill designers in our community, The Kola Design Fellowship.

At Kampala Design Week, Eugene leads the core team and is responsible for fundraising, partnerships, programs, and community development. His speaker duties have had him share his knowledge at the 2nd African Crossroads in Mombasa; at Uganda Martyrs University among other places.

Eugene is also a self-taught sound designer and content creator who has created communication material for brands like Andela, Mercy Corp, Moneygram and Great Lakes Coffee. He is a trained social worker that has run youth worker training, and conflict resolution programs among South Sudanese Refugees in Uganda with Youthworx East Africa, a UK Charity.

Eugene is a lover of good sound and in his free time you will find him recording podcasts or listening to one. Witty dry dad jokes are his favorite.

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